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17.02.2009 05:56:53
Plex behavior issues
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Felix, first of all thanks for the new behavior; it's great to have so many more actions and richer default mappings, very nice. I've encountered a couple of issues though:

•Display OSD: this action brings up the wrong OSD during video playback. It shows the audio OSD which is different from the Video one, and seems to cause conflict with the skin since it's hidden and overlapping with another skin element.

•"Back": the back button in the PS3 remote is mapped to "Previous Menu" which isn't consistent with the design for going back in Plex. Plex uses a different "back" implementation from XBMC. Plex always goes back 1 level, whether you are in file mode, library mode or playback. It's similar to Front Row. So depending on the context, "Back" will invoke ParentDir, or Previous Menu, or "Stop" or "Tab". The Back button should behave the same as the "Esc" key on Plex's keyboard keymap.

I tried assigning "Navigation: Menu" to "Back" in the PS3 remote, but it doesn't work well. For example during video playback, hitting "Back" will bring up the OSD which is clearly inappropriate since the expected behavior is to "go back" to the previous screen.

•Big skip forward, big skip back": these two functions are missing from the default PS3 keymap and also from others. Previously, the up and down arrows did invoke these actions during playback and it was very useful. Currently up and down adjusts volume which is useful to some but not others.

•Navigation keys: the navigation keys seem to replicate the Apple Remote behavior, but there are a couple of keys missing: Right (held) Left (held) and Menu (held). Right and Left held are important because, for example, these keys are used during video playback to big skip forward and big skip back respectively. Without these, the navigation keys are missing functionality and therefore will not work properly.

•Buttons (held): buttons in the PS3 remote in the held position don't seem to work. I'm not sure if this is an known issue?

•The Subtitles and Audio buttons in the PS3 remote are both mapped to "Next Audio Track". Subtitles should be mapped to "Next Subtitle"

• The 'change monitor' action is missing: this action allows the Plex window to switch monitors. While the user could add this action by himself, considering the extensive list of actions it would be really nice if RB included this by default. Also, many new users that aren't familiar with the action would be able to discover it. The action can be triggered with command-shift-arrow_left. Would it be possible to add it?

• When I tried changing the up and down buttons to match Plex's keyboard mapping, I tried the "Up", "Down" actions thinking that these would imitate the up and down keyboard keys, but they don't. I'm not sure if these very useful... perhaps it'd be better to replace them with keyboard equivalents? Otherwise they may just be confusing.

I'd appreciate it very much if you could address these issues, thanks again!

Last edited: 17.02.2009 06:04:53 

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04.03.2009 13:12:07
Re: Plex behavior issues
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Thanks for your extensive feedback. It being so extensive is also why 
this answer took a bit longer. Please see my notes below.

•Display OSD: this action brings up the wrong OSD during video 
playback. It shows the audio OSD which is different from the Video 
one, and seems to cause conflict with the skin since it's hidden and 
overlapping with another skin element.

 
The "Display action" sends a XBMC.ActivateWindow(MusicOSD) command to 
Plex.

It's important to note that Remote Buddy has no means of knowing the 
context in which Plex currently is in. If there'd be a generalized 
command that takes the context into account like f.ex. a fictional 
XBMC.ActivateWindow(OSD) I'd use it in a heartbeat.

•"Back": the back button in the PS3 remote is mapped to "Previous 
Menu" which isn't consistent with the design for going back in Plex. 
Plex uses a different "back" implementation from XBMC. Plex always 
goes back 1 level, whether you are in file mode, library mode or 
playback. It's similar to Front Row So depending on the context, 
"Back" will invoke ParentDir, or Previous Menu, or "Stop" or "Tab". 
The Back button should behave the same as the "Esc" key on Plex's 
keyboard keymap.

I tried assigning "Navigation: Menu" to "Back" in the PS3 remote, 
but it doesn't work well. For example during video playback, hitting 
"Back" will bring up the OSD which is clearly inappropriate since 
the expected behavior is to "go back" to the previous screen.

 
The "Previous Menu" action sends a "PreviousMenu" command to Plex. 
Again, Remote Buddy has no means of knowing what context Plex is in 
currently.

•Big skip forward, big skip back": these two functions are missing 
from the default PS3 keymap and also from others. Previously, the up 
and down arrows did invoke these actions during playback and it was 
very useful. Currently up and down adjusts volume which is useful to 
some but not others.

 
By default, the navigation buttons of the PS3 remote are mapped to 
their equivalents of the built-in Apple Remote support in Plex. Like 
with all previous commands, how Plex handles these is up to Plex itself.

•Navigation keys: the navigation keys seem to replicate the Apple 
Remote behavior, but there are a couple of keys missing: Right 
(held) Left (held) and Menu (held). Right and Left held are 
important because, for example, these keys are used during video 
playback to big skip forward and big skip back respectively. Without 
these, the navigation keys are missing functionality and therefore 
will not work properly.

 
Thanks for letting me know. The next release of the Behaviour will 
also include these Navigation actions.

•Buttons (held): buttons in the PS3 remote in the held position 
don't seem to work. I'm not sure if this is an known issue?

 
This works fine here. With which buttons and in which Behaviour do you 
experience this problem?

•The Subtitles and Audio buttons in the PS3 remote are both mapped 
to "Next Audio Track". Subtitles should be mapped to "Next Subtitle"

 
Thanks for letting me know. The next release of the Behaviour will 
have this changed.

• The 'change monitor' action is missing: this action allows the 
Plex window to switch monitors. While the user could add this action 
by himself, considering the extensive list of actions it would be 
really nice if RB included this by default. Also, many new users 
that aren't familiar with the action would be able to discover it. 
The action can be triggered with command-shift-arrow_left. Would it 
be possible to add it?

 
Right now, there's no native Plex command I know of to achieve this, 
which I'd prefer above sending keystrokes. I just wrote Elan a mail 
regarding this.

• When I tried changing the up and down buttons to match Plex's 
keyboard mapping, I tried the "Up", "Down" actions thinking that 
these would imitate the up and down keyboard keys, but they don't. 
I'm not sure if these are of any use have, perhaps it'd be better to 
replace them with keyboard equivalents? Otherwise they may just be 
confusing.

 
The "Up" and "Down" actions send the "up" and "down" commands to Plex. 
How Plex handles these internally is, again, up to Plex. The declared 
target of the Plex, XBMC and Boxee Behaviours is to give users all 
available options. I agree, though, that they might be easily confused 
with the actions prefixed "Navigation:". Together with "Left", 
"Right", "Select" and "Previous Menu" these will thus be found at the 
end of the list of actions in the next release.

Best regards, 
Felix Schwarz 

User

10.03.2009 19:36:59
Re: Plex behavior issues
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Felix thanks for the response. For some reason whenever I have left and right hold buttons assigned, the normal left and right buttons won't work.

Regarding context sensitive commands, this is going to be an issue, but for now I'll be using keyboard equivalents. Hopefully this will get resolved some time in the future... 

User

10.03.2009 20:24:44
Re: Plex behavior issues
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This works fine here. With which buttons and in which Behaviour do you 
experience this problem?

 
To be more specific, I have this problem in Plex. I've tried this in iTunes and it works fine. The buttons I've tried are left and right hold in Plex. In iTunes left and right held work fine and don't interfere with normal left right. In Plex normal left right stop working. 
User

12.03.2009 22:49:17
Re: Re: Plex behavior issues
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Thanks for the feedback. I've just made an update to the Plex 
Behaviour available that should fix this issue.

Best regards, 
Felix Schwarz 

User

17.03.2009 21:19:59
Re: Plex behavior issues
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Felix, this exact phenomenon is also happening with the Boxee behavior. If I use the Navigation options for left and right, then assigning any behaviors for left (held) and right (held) result in breaking the Navigation left and right behaviors.

My work-around for now is to use the standard left and right behaviors instead of the Navigation options.

This works fine here. With which buttons and in which Behaviour do you 
experience this problem?

 
To be more specific, I have this problem in Plex. I've tried this in iTunes and it works fine. The buttons I've tried are left and right hold in Plex. In iTunes left and right held work fine and don't interfere with normal left right. In Plex normal left right stop working. 
User

20.03.2009 11:00:16
Re: Re: Plex behavior issues
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Thanks for the feedback. The next version of the XBMC Behaviour should 
fix that problem.

Best regards, 
Felix Schwarz